According to Mr. Concern, "Christ followers" are a cult.

 

Mr. Concern pontificates on the origin of the universe.

 

You know, the more I read these, the more I think this is the work of some kid.

Also posted to a Pagan board.

 

nccg_concern type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_192803", true); </SCRIPT> Join Date: 26th May 2006 Posts: 1

NCCG - New Covenant Church of God near Arvika, Sweden Yes, you absolutely stumbled onto one weirdo of a topic that is addressed on that web site. That link is from the web site of a small polygamy cult. The cult is named "NCCG", or "New Covenant Church of God". They live on an actual compound near Arvika, Sweden, and in my observation, they do not resemble a church. Their web site is much bigger than their actual cult is, you could say. NCCG's leader, Christopher C. Warren, believes that he receives prophecies and revelations directly from God, and convinces some of the cult members that they do as well. He has a small number of people, mainly women (polygamy, remember?), believing that they have Multiple Personality Disorder and false Satanic Ritual Abuse recovered memories. He also created a paranoia among cult members utilizing an ongoing fantasy scenario involving enemy "satanists" and "covens" endeavoring to attack them both spiritually and physically. Belief-wise, they don't actually qualify as Christian as far as I can tell, although some of the members think that they do. Their beliefs are a hodgepodge of all kinds of things including things their leader (and possibly others) made up throughout the cult's stormy history. They claim to use the Bible as a base for their beliefs but it clearly didn't work out in the end! Comparing what NCCG practices to the Bible is like... comparing a phone book to a tree. Sure, at one time that phone book was made from the material contained within a tree BUT... sorry to break it to ya.. it's not like that now. They have all of this quasi-Christian material on their web site, which makes sense since the target for recruitment looks like mainly Christians (they also get some former mormons (polygamy.... yeah)). They think they are God's specially-chosen end-time church, and the later generations of their "church" will be protected by God while the end-time tribulations and anarchy occurs. They have a bunch of people who read their website vigorously, but they are not really "INTO" NCCG like they think they are. Only a few of them really live the polygamic NCCG cult life at the compound. Warren has several wives living there at the compound with him - - not a huge number, but he is working to get more as time goes on. Full report is at http://www.geocities.com/nccg_concern . Not to spam or anything, but it's there if you want to read it. --NCCG_Concern PS: don't get recruited

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You know, considering his penchant for talking to himself on the same board using two different nics, his hatred of Messianic Judaism, the fact that he has a Jewish girlfriend, is leading me to suspect that both nccg_concern and bluewater2 are just internet personas of Rick Ross himself. (And before he accuses me of being anti-semitic - which I am sure he'd love to - I have nothing against Jews or any race - just certain of them who are gifted at hating). I can't prove anything yet but I am seeing definite patterns of personality resemblance. His patronising of pagan groups  (as an atheist) leads me to suspect that he is desperate for some support (or is a closet pagan), and of course they are more than willing to mock and disparage Christians of every stripe and bolster his ego a bit. Whatever concern's/bluewater2's/Ross'? belief about "love" - he makes personal claims for that in his anti-Christian diatribe in message #1, says on his nccg_concern site that he has "nothing against Christians", says he is willing to talk and help misguided Christians and won't rave and rant like they do in message #12, etc., etc. - he certainly has a strange way of showing "love" to those whom he feels threatened by. He's never tried to 'lovingly' recruit me to his wonderful world view but that's probably because he thinks I should be electrocuted like the other untermenschen who threaten his utopian dream. Either he's Jewish or trying to curry favour with Jews who loathe Messianic Jews for "stealing" their culture or "Christians" (nazis) for murdering them (note: I have no love for nazis but I certainly believe the Germans have been maligned and victimised). He comes across as very emotionally immature, neurotic and with very twisted motives for doing things. He's proven himself dishonest. And the more he publishes and reveals himself and his true feelings, the more rope he makes to hang himself with, as I have said. Needless to say his great "concern" for people nowhere leads him to try and persuade them of a better lifestyle that is logical and coherent. He has shown himself to be a liar - saying one thing in one place and another else where - he imitates Christian practive by being willing to "give an ear" to someone whom he feels is no threat to his narrow and (if I may say so) bitter worldview (because the Christian in question is probably bitter like himself - I donæt give carte blanche to all Christians as he seems to to atheists and pagans). For all his attempts at composure in his academic writing, he can barely conceal the angry and lost child within who strikes out at the scapegoat enemy (a bit like the nazis swiping at the Jews, only this time its Christians who are the scapegoats) - religion, but especially Christian religion (he dare say wouldn't dare take on fundamentalist Islam), and one (like myself) who incarnates all that he rages against within. Since he will get flattened for attacking the larger groups like the RCC or Mormonism (because of political and financial clout), he bites off only what he thinks he can chew - the small Christian groups. And to give himself legitimacy, he finds a genuine cult here or there, bashes them (though I have yet to see a website like nccg_concern that he has created in which he has actually "exposed" anyone before - my guess is we're the first ... and I don't mean the odd post in a couple of groups), gets the plaudits of those who can see for themselves is a cult, and thereby recruits credibility in his wider war against Christianity. In fact I'd like to see any othjer websites he has crfeated in his valiant crusade against the cults. Or are we the only one? And if so, why? The more I read of him, the more I see in him a crusade of hate, not scientific or humanistic philanthropy.

 

Unlike Concern/bluewater2/Ross? we attack false religion too. I see no attacks by him on the record of "false atheism" (assuming he believes in such a thing) such as communism, fascism, etc. (unless he is one, of course - they're pretty much alike). Ironically, the one "church" who has bloodied his/Ross'? nose - the Scientologists - are about as close to his 'non-religious' system as he could dream of. His belief system, as revealed online for people to scrutinise, is pretty vague. He seems to understand that a moving target is hard to hit so he says contradictory things about the same thing, exploiting confusion to his advantage like a good Illuminati propagandist (I wager this sentence will appear on his site  as an example of my "paranoia" lol). About the only thing he dares wager on is evolution which is pretty easy to dismantle (speaking as a scientist here who has apparently "ceased learning" [message #1] as a Christian according to him ... I wonder what he is? What he's qualified in? I don't suppose he'll ever tell us and will always offer his usual pathetic excuse for his secrecy - namely fear of my Maffia hit-squad  ... whence the paranoia one wonders?). For "free thinking" materials on evolution, see our Science page at www.nccg.org/Science-HP.html. Let's see if His basis for rationality is "scientific" - I challenge him to answer my article at www.nccg.org/188Art-ScienceFaith.html which shows that he is as religious as the next man, only that his religion is atheism. ACtually I think he's far more religious than I am because I believe my faith has more of a rational foundation than his - much more.

 

And I wonder how many of the Christians who approvingly quote him or respond to him know just what Concern believes about junkie Christians? ... because he courts them with one hand and rubbishes them with the other which, if I am not mistaken, is what antichrist does, doesn't he? (10:1 he'll quote this and claim I think he's the antichrist ).

 

Let's see some more of your writings, Concern/bluewater/Ross? The more you write the more you tell us about yoruself which you are so desperate to keep hidden, even though you're willing to hypocritically trash people in public from the comfort zone of your own black hole. And I reiterate, you will be exposed because this Christian doesn't stand idly by and give authority to quacks like you. And what I cannot do, One who is greater than both of us definitely will.

 

Don't worry, Dutchservant, we provide the wives of all visitors with steel chastity belts and padlocks and we give the keys to the husbands

nccg_concern/bluewater2:

 

 

 Anyone care to psychoanalyse that one?

I take it this means that nccg_concern/bluewater2 is Navajoo Indian, his girlfriend is Jewish, and his children are half Navajoo Indian and half Jewish. Not that it matters. What interests me the most is a mind that would declare:

 

 

Does that mean in nccg_concern's/bluewaters's/Rich Ross'(?) atheistic utopian world, all the races would be compelled to intermarry to eliminate all racial differences? (A bit like the time when the Swedes forced over 60,000 people to be sterilized because they didn't meet certain racial criteria [I'll not mention Mr.Hitler's Lebensborn as that might offend his 'other' sensibilities]) Even if he did this, how would he maintain homogenity of colour and features? Won't there still be different mixtures, leading effectively to new races?

 

Am I picking up signals here that nccg_concern/bluewater2 has some sort of racial inferiority complex? Has he been traumatised in youth by unkind jibes by other races? Is he working out a deep anger against God because of abuse when he was younger? Does this explain his obsessive-compulsive need to attack Christians, and why he has turned to at elast one segment of of people who hate Christians to create a new species?

 

Now this may be totally nonsense but in this little illustration I am doing no more than he does in speculating, assuming and fantasising about us here at MLT/NCCG. Does he indeed like his own medicine? Would he like me to create a bluewater2_concern site analysing his every move and statement on line. Woiuld he like me to send private detectives to his home in California and dig up evferything on his past? Perhaps he'd like me to dig up some of the bullies who abused him when he was a child (I'm only speculating, you know) and get their unbiased testimonies? Maybe he even has a criminal record. Maybe he used to be a drunk. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Maybe he's a martian - let's look for unusual birthmarks and get a doctor's testimony. At least that's his methodology. Maybe he's been in prison. I'm sure a good journalist like Mr. Sjöholm could write a juicy story given the right incentives.

 

And does atheism really cure his inner hurts? Ironically, the one he seems to hate the most (like many of the things we fear the most) is probably the only one who can help him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ahhhhhhh - silly me! I just twigged!!!

 

"I hate different races" means that he hates ALL races except Navajo's and Jews!!!

 

Why didn't I see it before?

Fascinating reading material

I think I'll go take an advil, my head hurts

 

If indeed these are all the same person, how miserable can that life be?